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Interview with Vinod Menon

The India-born, CUNY-based expert on light-matter interaction discusses his work to help school students share his sense of excitement

Published on
April 13, 2023
Last updated
April 17, 2023
Source: CUNY

Vinod Menon is a professor of physics at the City University of New York (CUNY) in Harlem, where his Laboratory for Nano and Micro Photonics probes the secrets of light and regularly hosts invited school students to experience research.

Where and when were you born?
Kochi, in southwest India鈥檚 coastal Kerala state.

How has this shaped you?
Kerala is a state with a very high literacy rate, and education was always an important aspect in my family. We had several academics on my mom鈥檚 side. My father had studied to be a marine biologist, although he took a different job to help the family. And the schooling system was really great. I聽had so many influential teachers, especially in the sciences, that I鈥檓 still in touch with. They are very happy to see me where I聽am.

They sparked your interest in science?
Yes. And my father, who used to buy me books about new products. Not kits, but books 鈥 you had to figure out how to make the thing. So we made things, and we would sometimes blow the fuse in the house. One of the projects I聽worked on, I聽think in fourth or fifth grade, was a shoebox that I聽put a聽bunch of mirrors inside, with a tiny hole on each of two sides. I聽wanted to see if I聽could trap light. And I聽joked to somebody that I鈥檝e continued doing that all my life 鈥 I聽still make things where I聽trap light.

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Should an average citizen care about such work?
Yes, for two reasons. One, the students I聽train through my research become the next generation of scientists and technology developers. And two, the study of light-matter interaction聽鈥 a fundamental process seen in nature 鈥 is important to discoveries fundamental to emerging technologies in such diverse areas as healthcare, quantum computing and machine learning, among others.

What would you like to be remembered for?
For that training of future scientists. People complain about the fact that we don鈥檛 have a pipeline of diverse students applying to colleges or applying to academic jobs. But the fact is that the pipeline was broken long ago. So besides my academic research in the lab and my work with undergraduates, I聽try to spend some time with middle school students and high school students who come to my lab to work. That鈥檚 another reason why the general public should care about what we do 鈥 because these research labs, or at least my research lab, are not doing something that is just for the fancy of mind. I聽have a high school student right now who works in my lab 鈥 he comes in two to three times a week to do his research, and he would not have had this opportunity if I聽hadn鈥檛 opened up my lab.

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Does that explain why you work at a place like CUNY, rather than an institution more conventionally regarded as elite?
Yes. The students that we get make a difference for me on a day-to-day basis 鈥 because these are students who are extremely motivated. But they鈥檝e never had the exposure about what it means to do high school research, or what it means to be a scientist, or sometimes don鈥檛 even know the fact that if you go to graduate school to do a PhD, it is actually fully funded for you. So making them aware of these opportunities 鈥 and giving them 鈥 you make a big difference in somebody鈥檚 life. I聽feel good about it when I聽hear that an undergraduate who worked in my lab is now doing her PhD at Harvard or Princeton, or things like that. I聽feel really good about聽it.

Tell us about someone you鈥檝e always admired.
My grandmother, who, despite not being college-educated, instilled in me the value of education.

What produced that in her?
Kerala used to have a matriarchal society 鈥 women were educated 鈥 and it was in her family. Her brother was an economics professor, and her father was an engineer. So she was exposed to people who were academics.

What鈥檚 your most memorable moment at university?
In 2021, while I聽was the chair of the department, I聽got a box of cash 鈥 $180,000 [拢146,000] 鈥 mailed to me. It聽came anonymously, with a letter describing the sender as an area high school student who earned a bachelor鈥檚 and a master鈥檚 degree in physics at City College, leading to a 鈥渓ong, productive, immensely rewarding鈥 career in science.

What came of that?
We never learned the person鈥檚 identity, and I聽think we should respect his or her desire to stay anonymous. It鈥檚 wonderful that somebody who is giving money wants to stay anonymous in this day and age, where everybody wants to put their name on things. After the FBI investigated and found no聽criminal origins, we began using the money to fund annual scholarships of $7,500 to pay the tuition for two top physics students. We鈥檒l have enough money to do this every year for 12聽years.

What are the best and worst things about your job?
Best part: I聽get to work 鈥 research and teach 鈥 with smart and motivated students, and get to work on problems that excite me every day. Worst part: constantly having to look for grants to support research 鈥 especially having to sometimes chase the hyped-up topics.

What advice do you give to your students?
Stay motivated and build your reasoning skills 鈥 these qualities help with most things in life.

What do you do for fun?
Physics, music 鈥 jazz and Indian classical 鈥 soccer and cooking. Soccer is very popular in Kerala, and I聽used to play in an adult league before my knee got a little bad. So now I聽live through our two kids 鈥 I聽watch them and sometimes practise with them. I聽used to play the drums in college, though I鈥檓 more of a listener now.

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What keeps you awake at night?
I would love for reasoning to become a norm. I聽wish people would be taught the idea that you can think first before you come to conclusions.

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How do you do that?
Develop this idea of reasoning at a younger age, with problem-solving. That helps children become independent thinkers.

CV

1995鈥侻aster鈥檚 degree in physics (quantum optics), University of Hyderabad, India

2001鈥侱octorate in physics, University of Massachusetts

2001-03鈥侾ostdoctoral fellow in photonics, Princeton University

2003-04鈥俁esearch staff member, Princeton

2004-06鈥俈isiting researcher, Princeton

2004-10鈥侫ssistant professor of physics, City University of New York (CUNY)

2010-14鈥侫ssociate professor of physics, CUNY

2012-13鈥俈isiting scholar, Research Laboratory of Electronics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

2014-16鈥侱irector, CUNY Centre for Advanced Technology in Photonics

2014-present鈥侾rofessor of physics, CUNY

2019-present Chair, department of physics, CUNY

2020 Fellow, Optical Society of America


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