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Reading great literature won鈥檛 improve Trump, says Colm T贸ib铆n

Brooklyn author reflects on the new US president, Brexit and literature as he becomes chancellor of the University of Liverpool

Published on
February 3, 2017
Last updated
July 26, 2017
Colm T贸ib铆n
Source: Rex

鈥淚t is very, very hard to talk about anything else here,鈥 confesses Colm T贸ib铆n of the 鈥減olitical cataclysm鈥 that is the US presidency of Donald Trump.

Often described as Ireland鈥檚 greatest living writer, the award-winning novelist is currently a professor of humanities at Columbia University in New York City, where, he says, classroom conversations are increasingly dominated by the latest controversial statement by the maverick Commander-in-Chief.

The temporary immigrant travel ban directed at seven聽Muslim-majority countries聽has caused particular disquiet on campus, says the Wexford-born author of Brooklyn, who has held professorships at Stanford and Princeton universities.

鈥淎mericans have not had the problems with religious division we have had in Ireland 鈥 asking about someone鈥檚 religion is simply out of bounds here,鈥 T贸ib铆n says, speaking to聽糖心Vlog shortly before being named chancellor of the University of Liverpool on 2 February.

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He notes that the religious element of Trump's executive order 鈥 which many have claimed targets Muslims 鈥 鈥済oes against the whole foundation myth of this country 鈥 it has really has people disturbed here鈥.

The ban on Iranian nationals is particularly egregious given the 鈥渆xtraordinary contribution to intellectual life in America鈥 made by exiled Iranian academics and students over the past 30 years, he says.

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T贸ib铆n adds that as a聽gay man, he wonders 鈥渨hat legislation will be rolled back next week 鈥 will you be able to discriminate against a federal worker for reasons of sexuality?鈥澛

The author, who has been shortlisted for the Booker Prize three times, says he decided to tackle the Trump phenomenon directly in his literature classes at Columbia, the elite Manhattan-based private university.

鈥淲e were studying Irish prose of the 1890s in our first class after the inauguration and I had to say something about [Trump] at the start,鈥 T贸ib铆n聽recalls.

鈥淚 explained how this literature emerged from one of the darkest, nastiest times in Irish history, when Irish forces had worked with the British to remove someone 鈥 Charles Parnell [the Irish nationalist leader] 鈥 who offered hope for an entire nation,鈥 he says.

Examining the poetry of W.B. Yeats and the plays of George Bernard Shaw and J.M. Synge could help students understand how great literature 鈥渃an arise from the same kind of political cataclysm鈥, argues T贸ib铆n.

Among the author鈥檚 fans are Barack Obama, who added his latest novel ,听about a widow living in 1960s Ireland, to his holiday reading list in November 2014.

So could Trump learn something from any of T贸ib铆n鈥檚 novels, or literature more generally? The president claims his favourite novel is the 1929 classic All Quiet on the Western Front, although he prefers to read only 鈥減assages...areas [or] chapters鈥 of books.

鈥淲e鈥檝e had the exceptional presidency of Barack Obama, who read a lot, but I don鈥檛 mind if politicians don鈥檛 read novels or poetry,鈥 says T贸ib铆n, who adds that many Irish prime ministers have been 鈥減rogressive without being literary鈥.

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鈥淚 don鈥檛 expect him to quote Wallace Stevens or carry the collected poems of John Ashbery under his arm, but it is important for the president to have a trained mind,鈥 he says.

Trump appears to have his 鈥渙wn use of language and own sense of public policy鈥, which has little relation to evidence, and he is 鈥渟triking in his thoughtlessness鈥, according to T贸ib铆n.

鈥淭here is a blankness about Trump that makes him very easy to influence,鈥 he adds. Trump鈥檚 chief strategist Steve Bannon is, in contrast, extremely well read, he says.

鈥淪teve Bannon can quote Shakespeare and has read a lot without it improving his liberal tendencies, so there is no point in saying reading makes you a good citizen.鈥

T贸ib铆n聽says he hoped to use his role at Liverpool to champion international academic openness, which had been imperilled by Trump鈥檚 election and Brexit.聽

鈥淟earning and culture should be blown on the wind 鈥 they should be as free as the air,鈥 he says, adding that聽Liverpool and other UK universities had been hugely important in promoting a spirit of openness that had led to a more prosperous, culturally diverse and tolerant Europe.

鈥淭he extraordinary aspiration of those in the Republic of Ireland would not have been realised without access to British universities,鈥 he says, explaining that thousands of Irish students and academics have benefited from UK academia鈥檚 鈥渙penness to Irish culture鈥, in turn helping to transform Ireland鈥檚 economy and society.

Attracted initially by the strong links between Liverpool and Dublin (鈥渁lmost twin cities鈥), T贸ib铆n says he was also drawn to his new position by Liverpool鈥檚 role in creating educational opportunities for low-income students.

鈥淚n New York I am constantly aware of the problems of access and just how privileged students are at Columbia,鈥 he says. In contrast, Liverpool is a university that is 鈥渆lite academically, but never seen as distant from the city鈥.

鈥淢y mother left school at 14, and when my father went to University College Dublin there were only three scholarships for the whole county of Wexford, so I have huge appreciation for the importance of access to university,鈥 he adds.

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Interview with Colm T贸ib铆n on taking chancellorship of University of Liverpool

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